Firm that sold settlers contested house in Hebron suspected of forgery

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1. es says:

   April 17, 2007 at 3:37 pm

   You, and those that share your dysfunctional self hating perspective only care about legalities when they are used against your brothers and sisters in Judea and Samaria. And when the legal end happens to be on their side , you spurn the “twisting” of the law. When was the last time you even gave a shit about the law, any law, when it is critical to the arabs or palastenians, as you love to call them? You think the overiding immense moral crime of “occupation” justifies your slanted one way continious mental massacre of your own people. This blinds you to everything else, especially the humanity of your fellow Jews, no matter how eloquent you are at claiming otherwise. Its sick.
2. Mobius says:

   April 17, 2007 at 10:44 pm

   self-hating is a meaningless epithet. i don’t hate myself, nor do i hate being jewish, nor do i hate the jewish community, nor do i hate judaism, jewish culture, jewish law, jewish people, etc. so please, save your slurs for someone to whom they either apply or who gives a shit what you think, neither of which is me.

   as per selectively applying “legalities” — there’s a difference between rejecting unjust and discriminatory laws and calling for the enforcement of laws which are meant to protect individuals from unjust actions.

   and as per accusations of blindness, it is your ideology that blinds you to the injustice such an ideology in application brings about for both jews and non-jews.

   as far as folks like you are concerned, it’s okay to violate all 613 commandments — lying, stealing, cheating, killing — so long as the end result is jewish control of yesha.

   sorry, but i refuse to condone such beliefs, and i will continue to challenge them wherever they arise because, frankly, i care more about jews making a chilul hashem than i do about your imagined right to the west bank.
3. es says:

   April 18, 2007 at 3:32 am

   Disguising your self righteous ego based morality as a vangaurd against chillul hashem and protecting the torah is another sign of your warped distorted worldview. If you were honest about the Torah you would examine and contemplate and maybe even express (if you had the guts) not only the concepts which reenforce your agenda, but those which challenge it to its core. Its full blown pure arrogance that allows you to use the Holy Torah for your own agenda. Self hatred is your neurotic rejection of the humanity of your fellow jews , thus your own essential humanity. Its clear to see that you only vent your fullest vehemence when it comes to tirades against the behavior of Jews, Sympathy for Jews of Judea and Samaria beyond lip service, even for what you must deem innocent victoms is absent in your writing. Your definition of justice and perception of injustice goes in one direction only. Thats why you are blind to the emes.
4. Mobius says:

   April 18, 2007 at 9:46 am

   If you were honest about the Torah you would examine and contemplate and maybe even express (if you had the guts) not only the concepts which reenforce your agenda, but those which challenge it to its core.

   which concepts are those? the ones that substantiate kahanism? the ones that justify settler violence? the ones that justify the way you’re talking to me right now?

   i’ve got 20 centuries of religious precedent backing up my view, you’ve got less than a century backing up your view, so please, save it.

   Its full blown pure arrogance that allows you to use the Holy Torah for your own agenda.

   what is my own agenda? you obviously live inside my head and know what i think, so please tell me…

   all i wish for is to make peace in this world; to put an end to the suffering i see around me; and to stand up against those who stand in the way of peace.

   Self hatred is your neurotic rejection of the humanity of your fellow jews , thus your own essential humanity.

   yeah, settlers are completely inhuman to me. the majority of my best friends in this country all live or have lived in hilltop trailers, and clearly, they’re inhuman scumfucks who i care for not in the least. i spent the last year struggling over whether or not to move out to bat ayin, so i could go study full-time with people who i don’t even recognize the humanity of, let alone the depth of their torah.

   Its clear to see that you only vent your fullest vehemence when it comes to tirades against the behavior of Jews, Sympathy for Jews of Judea and Samaria beyond lip service, even for what you must deem innocent victoms is absent in your writing.

   if i have a lack of sympathy for radical right-wingers — not settlers, but radical right-wingers — look no further than five years worth of comments on my blogs and five years worth of hate mail in my inbox from dicks like you who assume they have me all figured out, and who furthermore assume it’s their responsibility to cut me down to size by launching into personal attacks like yours which cast about aspersions of me being a self-hating jew because i believe that the radical settler movement jeopardizes the continued existence of the state of israel and the security of the jewish people.

   hundreds upon hundreds of bile-filled, nasty, crude, fellow-jew-hating remarks from guys just like you, and you wonder why i don’t have a drop of sympathy for people of your worldview.

   except when i daven for fools like you and pray you come to your senses before you get us all killed.

   have you stopped to consider the fact that i get as upset as i do because of an intense commitment to jewish people and jewish life and i see actions like this giving jews and torah and g-d a bad name? you people turn a doctrine of recognizing the oneness of being, seeking out the kedusha in everything, and having compassion for your fellow, jew and non-jew alike, into a territorial nationalist conquest that necessitates ethnic cleansing.

   yeah yeah, it’s in the torah, and so are an equal number of dissenting opinions. which of the 72 faces of torah you subscribe to is a choice. you can choose the torah of ethnic cleansing. i’ll choose the torah of peace.

   the torah says the way we act determines the way we’re treated. that if we’re in the wrong, the goyim will chase us down throughout the earth. and if we’re right, they goyim will have dvekus for us. so i’ve got muslims across the world emailing me about wanting to be my new best friend and jews like you email me to tell me i’m a race traitor. yofi. i wonder who’s in the right…

   Your definition of justice and perception of injustice goes in one direction only. Thats why you are blind to the emes.

   right. your ideological allies forged paperwork, stole someone’s house, and called in the army to protect them.

   clearly, that was an act of righteousness for which i should stand and applaud because they’re jews, and essentially, jews are holier and better than everyone else in the world, and therefore i should stand up for them and celebrate their acts no matter how abhorrent.

   baruch goldstein was a hero! meir kahane should have been prime minister of israel! we should throw all the arabs out of their houses and run them out of this land because that’s what the torah demands!

   if that is your idea of justice, you have an infinitely warped sense of justice.

   look all around you… the state is against you. the majority of israelis are against you. the majority of jews in the world are against you. only the modern orthodox, dati leumi, and chabad communities support you. the hareidim are against you, the chilonim are against you.

   so everyone’s a self-hating jew except the people who live in yesha and throw arabs out of their houses?

   please. just go away. if you think i’m as abhorrent as i do you, why bother reading my website? you’re not going to convert me. i don’t much fancy being a right-wing jewish extremist.

   why don’t you do something more constructive with your time, like steal a house, or put a bomb outside a madrassa, or train your children to throw rocks at their neighbors, or sabotage an idf vehicle, or rip up an olive grove, or muder an arab in cold blood, or whatever it is you righteous folk in the shtachim do. oh, i got it — go shoot the prime minister. you and your holy fucking emesdike connection to the land.

   thank you for showing me once and for all that yesha is avodah zarah.

   YESHA: Yiddishe Expats Stealing Houses from Arabs
5. es says:

   April 19, 2007 at 2:24 am

   If tirades were a fungible asset youd have a great business. I am not trying to convert you , if I was I would be debating you point for point, quoting your distorted statements, exposing your falsehoods. Why go back and forth ad nauseum? I dont care to correct your erroneous conjecture’s of my opinion and your mistaken assumption’s of where I am coming from. I am speaking out on your blog , where you will certainly have the last word, because it strikes my rawest nerve how you have created this ego based self righteous mental basis and with it a public platform to mercilessly attack your fellow Jews even using the Torah as your personal sword. As a fellow Jew , i expect you to also see and express their humanity , not only , but also. As a fellow Jew I expect you to also, not only, but also have some trace of sympathetic perspective toward’s them. Be critical , but dont hate your own, especially since your hate isnt equalled anywhere else. Do you group all arabs in the suicidal extremesit camp ? But you so easily paint all Jews of Judea and Samaria with one extremest brush, being the mouthpiece for any negative claim against them. Your lack of objectivity causes you to attack your brethren. If one person that reads this blog realizes this dishonesty it will be worth it.