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		<title>By: Andrew M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this point, I agree with you 100%. Thank you for expressing it so clearly, as well as stating the fact that you (like me,) give them the benefit of the doubt, do appreciate their intentions, but not their putting words in my mouth.

As in any culture, there has ALWAYS been a rift between the interests + stances of &quot;wealthy&quot; Jews and &quot;poor&quot; Jews (my family belonging to the latter.) And I like how you describe our now-burgeoning society of &quot;post-institutional, unaffiliated&quot; Jews, whereas many organizations - and individuals - don&#039;t even CONSIDER us Jews anymore. We&#039;re &quot;too diluted.&quot; People don&#039;t understand that just because I was raised in a &quot;reform&quot; lifestyle or work Friday nights to pay my bills doesn&#039;t mean that I don&#039;t carry certain more religiously &quot;conservative/traditional&quot; beliefs at heart.

That is a fight that I have had with the so-called &quot;Jewish community&quot; since we were growing up.

Thank you for expressing it with such clarity. I do not have the time (nor the individuals surrounding me) to address these issues on a daily basis recently. I am glad that YOU do, yet still associate poor schleps like me with beings JEWS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this point, I agree with you 100%. Thank you for expressing it so clearly, as well as stating the fact that you (like me,) give them the benefit of the doubt, do appreciate their intentions, but not their putting words in my mouth.</p>
<p>As in any culture, there has ALWAYS been a rift between the interests + stances of &#8220;wealthy&#8221; Jews and &#8220;poor&#8221; Jews (my family belonging to the latter.) And I like how you describe our now-burgeoning society of &#8220;post-institutional, unaffiliated&#8221; Jews, whereas many organizations &#8211; and individuals &#8211; don&#8217;t even CONSIDER us Jews anymore. We&#8217;re &#8220;too diluted.&#8221; People don&#8217;t understand that just because I was raised in a &#8220;reform&#8221; lifestyle or work Friday nights to pay my bills doesn&#8217;t mean that I don&#8217;t carry certain more religiously &#8220;conservative/traditional&#8221; beliefs at heart.</p>
<p>That is a fight that I have had with the so-called &#8220;Jewish community&#8221; since we were growing up.</p>
<p>Thank you for expressing it with such clarity. I do not have the time (nor the individuals surrounding me) to address these issues on a daily basis recently. I am glad that YOU do, yet still associate poor schleps like me with beings JEWS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan @ Israeli Uncensored News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan @ Israeli Uncensored News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least, this is something we can agree on. Being on the opposite end of political spectrum, I also dislike the Diaspora organizations&#039; presumption to speak for all Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least, this is something we can agree on. Being on the opposite end of political spectrum, I also dislike the Diaspora organizations&#8217; presumption to speak for all Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: rejewvenator</title>
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		<dc:creator>rejewvenator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Federation system does see itself as the only legitimate representative of the Jewish community as a whole. In many cities, Federations are actively hostile to Jewish organizations that don&#039;t wish to affiliate with the Federation. I get the strategy. Combined philanthropy only works well if the Federation has a near-monopoly on the marketplace. The greatest threat to that status quo is exciting new organizations that do not depend on the Federation allocation process for funding and who can appeal directly to donors and volunteers. In other words, like in most monopolies, there is a built-in disincentive against innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Federation system does see itself as the only legitimate representative of the Jewish community as a whole. In many cities, Federations are actively hostile to Jewish organizations that don&#8217;t wish to affiliate with the Federation. I get the strategy. Combined philanthropy only works well if the Federation has a near-monopoly on the marketplace. The greatest threat to that status quo is exciting new organizations that do not depend on the Federation allocation process for funding and who can appeal directly to donors and volunteers. In other words, like in most monopolies, there is a built-in disincentive against innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Thanks for your comments.

The threat Reform Judaism faces is not that it will stultify should you embrace greater democracy, but that the tyranny of good intentions has already ossified it. 

I will never forget when Eric Yoffie branded the indie minyan movement -- the one movement where I found meaning in prayer and community after a life-long search, one which empowers individuals and embraces direct democracy -- as &quot;freeloaders.&quot;  The arrogance of such entitlement is staggering.

(None of which is to say, by the way, that I have anything less than the utmost respect and appreciation for the work of the RAC.)

Furthermore, the broad consensus on Iran you speak of was a coup. When was there ever a broad public discussion within the Jewish community as to whether or not to promote economic sanctions against Iran?  This was a policy position cooked up internally -- by the same neoconservative intellectuals responsible for the Iraq War, mind you -- and then promoted as a threat requiring immediate public action.  There were no policy debates or referendums. There were no critical assessments offered by the Jewish press. This is an imperative instilled in the Jewish polity by men standing on podiums raving about an alleged existential threat to Israel, shouting down their critics and labeling them self-haters. If this is the best approximation of democracy you have to offer, I fear for the rigor of your democratic commitments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>The threat Reform Judaism faces is not that it will stultify should you embrace greater democracy, but that the tyranny of good intentions has already ossified it. </p>
<p>I will never forget when Eric Yoffie branded the indie minyan movement &#8212; the one movement where I found meaning in prayer and community after a life-long search, one which empowers individuals and embraces direct democracy &#8212; as &#8220;freeloaders.&#8221;  The arrogance of such entitlement is staggering.</p>
<p>(None of which is to say, by the way, that I have anything less than the utmost respect and appreciation for the work of the RAC.)</p>
<p>Furthermore, the broad consensus on Iran you speak of was a coup. When was there ever a broad public discussion within the Jewish community as to whether or not to promote economic sanctions against Iran?  This was a policy position cooked up internally &#8212; by the same neoconservative intellectuals responsible for the Iraq War, mind you &#8212; and then promoted as a threat requiring immediate public action.  There were no policy debates or referendums. There were no critical assessments offered by the Jewish press. This is an imperative instilled in the Jewish polity by men standing on podiums raving about an alleged existential threat to Israel, shouting down their critics and labeling them self-haters. If this is the best approximation of democracy you have to offer, I fear for the rigor of your democratic commitments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Goldberg</title>
		<link>http://danielsieradski.com/2009/09/5285/ujc-we-speak-for-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-6084</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Goldberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pelavin</title>
		<link>http://danielsieradski.com/2009/09/5285/ujc-we-speak-for-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#comment-6083</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pelavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dilemma reflected in this debate – how do large organizations legitimately claim to “represent” people? – is, of course, by no means unique to the United Jewish Communities (whose Washington office William quite ably runs). Every organization of any size, especially those with a diverse membership, faces the same challenge. That is true of UJC, of the Jewish Council on Public Affairs, of my own office for the Reform Movement, and, for that matter, of AARP, the AFL-CIO, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. 

It is true, as you and others argue, that the Jewish community is a vibrant place, and that we are in the midst of what I hope is an era of innovation. There is, indeed, an impressive array of new organizations on the scene; they are doing important work, and, often, reaching Jews who are not being reached by the more established institutions. But the troubling notion that an umbrella organization should not claim to represent anyone unless it can represent everyone is a prescription for paralysis and on the part of these organizations. 

When representing any constituency, all any organization can do is come up with the best and most democratic processes possible, and stick to those processes unwaveringly. Unanimity, ideal though it might be, is simply not a realistic option, but neither is foregoing the pressing and critical opportunity to be a strong voice for the consensus views of the people who our organizations do, indeed, represent. (I would note, for example, that the specific issue which drew your attention, economic sanctions against Iran, is one that enjoys a very broad consensus within the American Jewish community.) UJC (and JCPA, and the URJ, etc.) have extensive decision-making processes in place to make sure that our policy positions do, in fact, reflect (as best they can) the consensus views of our constituents.

Mark Pelavin
Associate Director
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dilemma reflected in this debate – how do large organizations legitimately claim to “represent” people? – is, of course, by no means unique to the United Jewish Communities (whose Washington office William quite ably runs). Every organization of any size, especially those with a diverse membership, faces the same challenge. That is true of UJC, of the Jewish Council on Public Affairs, of my own office for the Reform Movement, and, for that matter, of AARP, the AFL-CIO, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. </p>
<p>It is true, as you and others argue, that the Jewish community is a vibrant place, and that we are in the midst of what I hope is an era of innovation. There is, indeed, an impressive array of new organizations on the scene; they are doing important work, and, often, reaching Jews who are not being reached by the more established institutions. But the troubling notion that an umbrella organization should not claim to represent anyone unless it can represent everyone is a prescription for paralysis and on the part of these organizations. </p>
<p>When representing any constituency, all any organization can do is come up with the best and most democratic processes possible, and stick to those processes unwaveringly. Unanimity, ideal though it might be, is simply not a realistic option, but neither is foregoing the pressing and critical opportunity to be a strong voice for the consensus views of the people who our organizations do, indeed, represent. (I would note, for example, that the specific issue which drew your attention, economic sanctions against Iran, is one that enjoys a very broad consensus within the American Jewish community.) UJC (and JCPA, and the URJ, etc.) have extensive decision-making processes in place to make sure that our policy positions do, in fact, reflect (as best they can) the consensus views of our constituents.</p>
<p>Mark Pelavin<br />
Associate Director<br />
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic argument vis a vis social contract. How many Jewish organizations exist in a social contract with their members...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic argument vis a vis social contract. How many Jewish organizations exist in a social contract with their members&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: All hail our leader William Daroff &#124; Jewschool</title>
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		<dc:creator>All hail our leader William Daroff &#124; Jewschool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] grandma to move here from the old country; Mobius dissents. The juiciest part I excerpt below, but do read the whole thing: Daroff: @mobius1ski Does Obama represent you? Did Bush? You might not agree w/everything we say or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] grandma to move here from the old country; Mobius dissents. The juiciest part I excerpt below, but do read the whole thing: Daroff: @mobius1ski Does Obama represent you? Did Bush? You might not agree w/everything we say or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: franny</title>
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		<dc:creator>franny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for posting this and speaking so articulate. you speak more on behalf of me than ujc.  i had this EXACT argument at a party that i went to with my sister in a city i don&#039;t live in. (much to my sister&#039;s dismay).  a young 20-something was talking about a young leadership-type event and the nonjew next to us was asking about it...i described it as an exclusive, a meat market, fundraising thing...and she got very defensive. anyhoo...this is a more articulate, exact sum-up of that debate.  THANK YOU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for posting this and speaking so articulate. you speak more on behalf of me than ujc.  i had this EXACT argument at a party that i went to with my sister in a city i don&#8217;t live in. (much to my sister&#8217;s dismay).  a young 20-something was talking about a young leadership-type event and the nonjew next to us was asking about it&#8230;i described it as an exclusive, a meat market, fundraising thing&#8230;and she got very defensive. anyhoo&#8230;this is a more articulate, exact sum-up of that debate.  THANK YOU</p>
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